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As the most regulated independent financial consultancy in the world, deVere Group strictly adhere to international regulatory laws. By partnering with some of the world’s most respected investment providers, deVere are able to provide clients with trusted financial products helping them to achieve their financial goals and aspirations. Working in financial services can be hard but very rewarding; we provide full training turning our advisers into fully qualified financial planners gaining CISI qualifications.
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So far, I have seen many complaints against deVere Group but unfortunately many of them are from anonymous posts. However, this time, the post will be from a former employee which witnessed the true reality of this company and paid the price for having my CV and career completely tarnished.

In the post I will be bringing a series of REAL LIFE cases of clients from this company who lost a lot of money in their investments. Most of these clients did see or spoke or where contacted by some from deVere for years...when I took up the role I decided to contact all clients totally unaware of their their situations...went to meetings and suddenly I found myself in situation in which I was called dishonest and deceiver for these people...I immediately reported the situations and got...well, nothing but an email from Mr Nigel Green himself calling me lazy for not closing deals...

In the years I have been working in this field in Brazil I have to say without a doubt that IFAs with very very few exceptions of professionals are a bunch of very untrustworthy people. They are not professionals in finance - specially the English contingent who are average guys, determined to make money! Not advise anyone! simply because the great majority is looking to stay around for a short period of time so they will advise on anything that can give them best commission possible...

In the case of deVere - kicked out of Brazil twice and their 3rd time lucky attempt they hired me, never mentioned that the company have tones of clients (more like ex-clients) who lost a lot of money. They pay the worst commission in the market and clients who invest through them in the fund platform or structured notes - well, they have to be very uninformed people because deVere´s platform is very expensive and their structured note has a 4% upfront commission...when I showed this option to a well respected asset management firm owner in Brazil he literally laughed at my face and said NOBODY in the right state of mind will ever pay this. I myself charge 1% and there are options without no charges...that was the first alarming bell ringing in my head...that was just the beginning!

I hope to hear so feedback on my posting and I will be continuing with more evidences on deVere Group in few days.

Regards to all

Pedro Araujo

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Anonymous
#657047

I was told to open two bank accounts. A local country one where a small amount of commission was to be paid as the authorities would expect some income and a secretive offshore one so I could avoid tax. I know the country manager of my office had a complicated arrangement to avoid tax.

Starshollow
to Tax advice Munich, Bavaria, Germany #657529

I have seen some similar evidence in Germany - but am still collecting further proof. Would you be brave enough to send me such information by email? That would be grand....

Starshollow
Munich, Bavaria, Germany #594699

to all former DeVere "advisors": since DeVere is always offering in their adds when they try to find new salesmen that the commission income is "tax free" - which can only be if you hide your income from the tax authorities where you are a legal resident as most countries tax worldwide income - can you confirm information I have obtained that new advisors are told to keep a low profile in the countries where they work, if possible not to register a local address officially, not to open local bank accounts etc in order to receive their commission payments paid out at the seat of the product companies (like Guernsey in the case of Generali Vision) ? That would explain a lot and would also be important evidence in many countries to get the authorities moving....

Appreciate any emails especially from EU based advisors past and present

Anonymous
to Starshollow Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa #656996

Starshallow. This is correct I have read nearly all of your posts on PC and you certainly seem well informed.

There is a lot of talk by many people on this site but no action so it is refreshing to see someone trying to do the right thing.

In Europe the employees are told by senior management to use pay as you go mobiles, rent cheap apartments with no references required so usually that means paying 6 months up front, or live with others and generally keep a very low profile.

Taxes are certainly not paid. There is plenty on PC about Mr Pratt being on the run from the HK authorities due to non payment of taxes. Most in Europe declare around 30% of their real earnings and pay the tax on that. The rest is sent offshore untaxed.

Devere offer no tax advice or assistance and expect employees to arrange this themselves. Most have no idea how to do this so just dont.

Starshollow
to to be sure Munich, Bavaria, Germany #657534

same as above - if you feel brave enough to submit some documents/rpoof about the above to me, it will make it soooo much easier for the authorities in EU countries to come down on them. you can black out names and personal reference, just the basic info would be sufficient for now.

Cheerio

Anonymous
#573922

I went on the "course"to Switzerland.

Got kicked off because I was too honest. The two jerks that ran the course only talked about football and the north/south divide !

What a load of junk this company is !

Keep away !

truthaboutdevere
#572447

To add, Nigel Green himself abused my on a racial level seeing that Brazilians are lazy. He did verbally in my face when I went to Malta to meet him.

I was with my consultant John Belcher who is now working for the United Nations.

Then after asking for the zillion time some sort of action in regards to the problems with clients and the losses they had I was told again, this time in writing. Nigel tried to mitigate the problem by writing an email which deVere lawyer is fully aware saying that he was sorry...but not sorry enough for destroying my career, ignore my pleas for clients who lost most of their money or once they sign didn´t see anyone for years - unless to ask them if they want to invest on something else...I hope my nightmare becomes a good reference to everyone.

truthaboutdevere
#572445

In regards to comment made by Interesting on November 15, 2012 From Bangkok, Krung Thep, TH

Perhaps it would be of interest to people to know that the former area manager above, was actually dismissed due to gross misconduct.

CAN YOU EXPAND AND EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE THE REASON FOR MY APPARENTLY DISMISSAL? LET´S SHED SOME LIGHT: I EXPOSED SEVERAL CASES OF CLIENTS WHO WERE LEFT UNASSISTED FOR YEARS AND MOST OF THEM LOST A LARGE PART OF THEIR SAVINGS...I MYSELF INTERVIEW 2 AND BOTH HADN´T SEEN ANYONE FOR 4 AND 5 YEARS RESPECTIVELY...ONE OF THEM WAS PERSUADED TO INVEST IN 4 DIFFERENT SAVINGS PLANS...AND DOESN´T HAVE MUCH LEFT...AS I WRITE THIS, I HAVE BEEN BULLIED MY DEVERE LAWYER NOT TO PUBLISH ANYTHING OR I WOULD BE SUED. I ACTUALLY ASKED HIM TO SUE ME I DON´T HAVE ANYTHING TO HIDE. MY NAME IN THE INDUSTRY IN BRAZIL HAS BEEN COMPLETELY TARNISHED AND CONSEQUENTLY MY REPUTATION...I ASKED FOR COMPENSATION AND THEY SAID CLEARLY NO! I ASKED FOR A STATEMENT THAT THEY WOULD REVIEW ALL CLIENTS´ CASES ON MY REQUEST AND THEY INITIALLY SAID YES AND THEN NEVER TOUCHED THE SUBJECT...THE BIGGEST MISTAKE IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER. LOOK THIS ARTICLE BELOW AND THINK VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU, POTENTIAL CLIENT OR EMPLOYEE, MAKE ANY DECISION...

Anonymous
#570094

Believe it or not, I just came from a Devere presentation, hosted by Andy Chalklin, at the Hilton hotel - Heathrow. My story started just late last week when I was contacted by a recruitment agency - called Forefront Recruitment.

Anyway, considering the fact that I am unemployed at the moment with "some" sales experience, definitely not in the finance sector, I was curious to see what the job was about and if it was for me.

It all sounded way too good to be true, with loads of "success stories" clearly made up, though I have to say the guy was able to answer most questions - but I guess it's fairly easy to *** people who have no, or very little knowledge, of such well hidden business activities.

The most obvious thing that caused me to question their financial commitments was the fact that you would have to pay for your relocation costs, rent, flight tickets..etc no decent company in the world would do that, let alone financial companies that can pay their employees in 6 figures.

The second thing that did not make sense was the fact that our decisions to attend an interview would have to be made by Monday noon 19/12/12 - I personally asked for more time, and the best he could do with me was Monday end of the day! This is clearly an attempt to limit people's time to make any sort of contact with other people out there - during the week end - which means the desire to earn loads of money would be the bigger factor in saying YES to them on Monday morning.

There is another worrying thing, which is there were quite a few attendees, older than 50. Though I am in my 30s, meaning I could still find some sort of energy to lift myself up if things did go wrong, but what about those in their 50s.

To shed more light, and after we left the hotel, I had a quick chat with this lady - who was with us - and I can assure you that I have now seen all these posts, I wish I had known anything about her to contact her. I am not trying to say I was a bit clever to crack their code, but I did tell her - while on the lift - that we heard all the good things, and if there was another side to the coin. Her answer was that there was no other side. She went to express her concern about leaving her flat here in London - while still paying mortgage - and over for her stay overseas, though I sensed she was willing to do just that as the temptation seemed to be a lot stronger.

I am glad I came across this website, as the first thing I did taking the tube to central London was to browse the internet and see if there was any form of feedback or more info from a non-DeVere source .. I guess there’s more than enough to make up our minds – which is something I personally enormously appreciate having and at click of the button.

Anonymous
#569931

This is absolutely hilarious and about time someone actually told the truth and was brave enough to name themselves... I would rather change career and work in a factory than be labelled as a De'vere employee

Anonymous
#565266

Ab fab my gooldy man.

Anonymous
#559753

This is the deVere SALES script word for word. Sound familiar? Had a meeting with a deVere uneducated ROBOT? Ha ha ha...

The Second Gear- Introduction P1

Purpose-Sell the company, sell yourself and to establish your ground rules for business.

Agenda

“The purpose of today’s meeting is for me to tell you all about Devere Group ask you some questions and see if we can establish some common ground”

Largest

“deVere are the largest offshore financial consultancy in the world” I know that’s a big claim so let me back it up with some facts...

Last year we did business in over 120 different countries, we have over 80,000 clients and in excess of $8 billion US$ dollars under management and administration. So you can see a lot of people have put their trust in us as a company.

“Now with over 80,000 clients I am sure you will see that service is very important to us...”

Service

“Let me explain, once you become a client of mine here in Dubai I will personally meet up with you, up to 4 times a year, to review your financial position, depending on your requirements of course. This allows me to keep you up-to-date with any changes in the market place, new products or funds available.

This is also a good opportunity for you to keep me informed about any changes in your personal circumstances”

Now the life of an expat/professional can be changeable so should you move to a country where we have an office, I will simply pass your details over to a colleague of mine who is equally qualified as me, he will continue to give you the same high level of service that I have been giving you here in Dubai”

However if you move somewhere more remote, where we don’t have an office, then we have a dedicated Client Services Dept in Malta, that will proactively contact you via phone, fax and email to make sure you are up-to-date with every aspect of your investment.”

Global

As a global company we offer you service all over the world and are the only company able to offer this, so wherever you are, we’ll be in touch with you and you’ll be in touch with your money.

(Close)- “Can you see the benefit of being looked after wherever you are in the world?”

Independent P2

“The next reason we are so successful is we are completely independent”

Let me explain. It may surprise you to know that most of our competitors are owned by financial institutions.

They will tell you “this is the best product for you”. Now I am sure you will agree that no one company has all the best products, all the time.

Being truly independent means we can use all the products and all the companies in the market, which means you get the best product, with the best returns and the best chance of achieving financial security. We use the best companies in the market, you’ve heard of HSBC, Deutschebank, you’ve heard of Fidelity and Scandia?”

Can you see the benefit of working with a company offering un-biased, independent advice?”

Security

“The next reason we are so successful is the importance we place on the security of your money.”

You obviously work hard for you money, so do i.

“With that in mind i will only recommend products that have government backed investor protection so you know you money is safe.”

Summary

So to summarise, we are the largest offshore brokerage in the world, offering un-biased independent advice and products that have the highest levels of security.”

Trial close

“From what you heard so far are you comfortable working with Devere Group?”

I have been working for deVere for the last 4 years in Dubai prior to that i was in financial services for over 10 years in UK (MORE ***), I have found that experience has been invaluable in helping my clients here make major financial decisions.

Products

It’s my job to bullet proof you finances. However i we will never gamble with your money. We only recommend low to medium risk products that grow steadily over the medium to long-term.

Charges-Bullet Points

• Ok Eric, I suppose you’re wondering what all this costs

• Let me reassure you- No direct charge for my time

• You’re a professional guy, everything has a costs right

• Let me explain!!-Suppose Fidelity is right solution for you- largest fund manager

• Whether you invest through them or directly through me= Same product/ Same returns Same charges

• Crucial difference With Fidelity 1X Annual Statement

• With ME- ALL levels of service I mentioned earlier at No extra cost- Can you see the benefit in this

• Construed as a fee-If Professional Person, offering valuable service-Will ask-introduce to 6 professionals here in Dubai... that you know & I don’t..

• Benefit from a meeting like this

• Are you ok with that?

Ground Rules-Bullet Points

• Let me tell you how I work

• Go through confidential Fact Find

• Where you are today/in future/ how to get you there

• Areas where I can help you

• Don’t want my help-OK- Your money-LEAVE

• DO want my help, instruct me to find perfect solution, ask some 

questions

• What funds, Access, Flexibility- You Want

• My job to find that solution

• Fair amount of work involved- don’t want to waste my time

• Gents Agreement-Next time we meet-

• If we agree you have a need

• I find perfect solution/100% right-

• Become Client

• RECAP-If I find perfect product, 100% happy, answered all question,

• I have earned the right to take you on as a client in Singapore?

• ARE you OK with that............... or do you have any questions?

     

     

  

stopdevere
#559378

Can you send us details of these real cases? If so I can send you my private email.

This can be major evidence we need to nail this company. Spasibo.

Anonymous
#558500

DeVere Partners = Scammers, bastards, Abzocke, Betrug, Falle, Gebühren, Generali Vision.

Switzerland

deVere Group Basel

Steinentorstasse 11

4051 Basel

Switzerland

Email: basel@devere-group.com

Switzerland

deVere Group Geneva

World Trade Center I,

Route de l' Aeroport 10, Case postale 171

Geneve 1215

Switzerland

Email: geneva@devere-group.com

deVere Group Zürich

SeeWurfel Nr. 2, Geschoss 4

Seefeldstrasse 281

Zurich 8008

Switzerland

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